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                                1 decade ago                            
                            
                                3 avr. 2013, 10:40 UTC−4                            
                        
                        
                                                    Hi, 
maybe time steps are too large.
Try with small time steps
Navid                                                
                                                
                            Hi, 
maybe time steps are too large.
Try with small time steps
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                                1 decade ago                            
                            
                                14 juil. 2013, 04:23 UTC−4                            
                        
                        
                                                    Hi,
I'm also simulating similar case with yours^^
First I used 'Laminar Flow module' with stationary solver (GMRES),
As there are non-symmetric matrices in convective term of N-S equation, GMRES is effective.
Then I added two modules, 'Electrostatics' and 'Electric Current' module.
As Vdc+Vac = V1+V2cos(wt+phi) like this, Electrostatics module for DC, and Electric Current for AC.
And solve both moduleswith frequency domain solver (BiCGStab)
Because of AC, complex expressions are contained, so this solver will be useful.
Although some warning message will be appeared when solving Electrostatics module with frequency domain, there will be no problem.
Then, add 'Particle Tracing for Fluid Flow' module, and add two 'Dielectrophoretic force' setting.
One for DC (electric field(es/ccn)), and the other for AC (electric field(ec/ccn)).
And solve particle trajectories or time-dependent solver.
You can couple models successfully.
Note that it's some method by my personal experience, so if you have better idea, you don't need to follow these steps.
Good luck to your work^^
CH2                                                
                                                
                            Hi,
I'm also simulating similar case with yours^^
First I used 'Laminar Flow module' with stationary solver (GMRES),
As there are non-symmetric matrices in convective term of N-S equation, GMRES is effective.
Then I added two modules, 'Electrostatics' and 'Electric Current' module.
As Vdc+Vac = V1+V2cos(wt+phi) like this, Electrostatics module for DC, and Electric Current for AC.
And solve both moduleswith frequency domain solver (BiCGStab)
Because of AC, complex expressions are contained, so this solver will be useful.
Although some warning message will be appeared when solving Electrostatics module with frequency domain, there will be no problem.
Then, add 'Particle Tracing for Fluid Flow' module, and add two 'Dielectrophoretic force' setting.
One for DC (electric field(es/ccn)), and the other for AC (electric field(ec/ccn)).
And solve particle trajectories or time-dependent solver.
You can couple models successfully.
Note that it's some method by my personal experience, so if you have better idea, you don't need to follow these steps.
Good luck to your work^^
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                                1 decade ago                            
                            
                                29 sept. 2014, 04:45 UTC−4                            
                        
                        
                                                     I have a question regarding the solver while solving the dielectrophoresis:
I have amodel with microchannel witha fluid (water) and four electrodes for focusing the particle in the channel (i applied a  10Vpp AC field @ 2Hz), then i introduce the particle tracing with drag force and dielectrophoresis force.
so i consider a model ; where i have laminar flow, electric current and particle tracing(dielectrophoresis)
study steps:
study 1 :  step 1--> stationary laminar flow
                   step 2--> time dependent flow (electric current)
study 2: step 1: time depenednt particle tracing
                            intial value dependent on study 1
                              also
study 1 :  step 1--> stationary laminar flow
     
study 2:  step 1--> time dependent flow (electric current)
                  step 2 --> time depenednt particle tracing
                                     intial value dependent on study 1
                              also
Study 3: step1 --> stationary laminar flow
                 step 2 --> time dependent (electric current)
                 step 3--> time dependent particle tracing 
I have no dielectrophoresis effect on the particle  in the micro channel, they have the normal flow.
 
                                                
                                                
                             I have a question regarding the solver while solving the dielectrophoresis:
I have amodel with microchannel witha fluid (water) and four electrodes for focusing the particle in the channel (i applied a  10Vpp AC field @ 2Hz), then i introduce the particle tracing with drag force and dielectrophoresis force.
so i consider a model ; where i have laminar flow, electric current and particle tracing(dielectrophoresis)
study steps:
study 1 :  step 1--> stationary laminar flow
                   step 2--> time dependent flow (electric current)
study 2: step 1: time depenednt particle tracing
                            intial value dependent on study 1
                              also
study 1 :  step 1--> stationary laminar flow
     
study 2:  step 1--> time dependent flow (electric current)
                  step 2 --> time depenednt particle tracing
                                     intial value dependent on study 1
                              also
Study 3: step1 --> stationary laminar flow
                 step 2 --> time dependent (electric current)
                 step 3--> time dependent particle tracing 
I have no dielectrophoresis effect on the particle  in the micro channel, they have the normal flow.